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Postby tanneman » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:35 pm

Horsepower makes headlines. Torque makes the earth move.
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Postby boxerscott » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:41 pm

boxerscott wrote:
Blackal wrote:
How did you reconcile all these 'anomalies' on the Multistrada?

Al :)
:lol: I have not.
Plus.... you can pick up a used 6k miles MTS with panniers, duc sat nav full dsh for £8.45k, now why spend £16k for an holiday on summat that is an inferior trellised frame copy?

Still, you could do worse with the BMW thingy :wink:
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Postby Blackal » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:49 pm

boxerscott wrote:, now why spend £16k for an holiday on summat that is an inferior trellised frame copy?

Still, you could do worse with the BMW thingy :wink:


The only Trellis frame you're likely to end up with by next year...............


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Then plug me back in..........

See if that works .....
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Postby boxerscott » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:12 pm

Has eloquence escaped thou?

"Doo do do dah dah dah" Is all I want to say to you.

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Postby Corvus » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:18 am

Blackal wrote:173bhp peak power......

All those who have actually delivered peak power on the roads - one step forward, please!

Peak power requires peak load - only deliverable at top speed, with full air drag.


Al :)


Peak power requires a certain load. But is it necessary that the load take the form of air drag only? What about in the intermediate gears under max acceleration? Isn't it precisely the lack of air drag that allows the power to be used instead to produce a certain rate of acceleration?

What about a rolling road. There's zero air drag involved and the principle there is all about "instantaneous" readings relating to accelerating a mass, is it not? Ok, the rolling road thing is out of context with your post, but my comments regarding accelerating out on the open road aren't.

I'd like to take two steps forward because two of my bikes make roughly 60hp and 75hp and I believe I use that amount on a regular basis.

The ktm sounds one hell of a machine. But if nobody can access the 175hp (I'm not saying they can't) then why have it? Buy a bike with, say, 100hp. What's the difference if max power only equates to a certain top speed and nothing else?

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Postby slparry » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:17 pm

tanneman wrote:Horsepower makes headlines. Torque makes the earth move.


Nods .... always prefer torque to high hp outputs :)
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Postby Corvus » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:44 pm

slparry wrote:
tanneman wrote:Horsepower makes headlines. Torque makes the earth move.


Nods .... always prefer torque to high hp outputs :)


Higher horsepower at the "prime mover" end will give you more torque for any given wheel speed. The job of the gearbox is to provide ratios that match the two ends. The job of the operator is to use these ratios to advantage.

You may not like the "feel" of the thing if that comes at the expense of high engine rpm. Which is fair enough.

My zx6 felt every bit as torquey as my z1000. That's because it was. The power outputs were near as dammit equal. The difference was the engine rpm where it all happened. The bikes had totally different feels. I enjoyed them both for what they were.

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Postby Corvus » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:45 pm

tanneman wrote:......Torque makes the earth move.


And with power I can keep it moving.

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Postby Toddy » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:46 pm

Some great deals about on the Suzuki DL1000 Vstrom, it's light, comfortable, has ABS and Traction Control and loads of torque.
http://youtu.be/urD34UKnRqM
James 125, DR350, Beam 250, Mon300, F650 ,
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R1200ST , FJR, K1300GT
R1200GSA, MV F4
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