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London Emission Zone

Postby Dids » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:55 pm

Just looked up my bikes on the TFL ULEZ vehicle checker:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra- ... ecker-ulez

Luckily for me my 2003 R1150RS is gonna be exempt from the ULEZ charge which starts here next April.
I'm surprised at this as the bike isn't Euro 3 compliant.

Less fortunate is my 2001 R1100S which will be subject to the £12.50 daily charge.

Wonder why such similar bikes are judged as having different emissions compliance?
Could it be the extra spark plug per pot ton my 2003 R1150RS?

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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby GRAgusta » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:09 pm

he he he

I would get away with that one .... my single spark, de cat, 2003 R1100S is exempt.

Not that I will ever take it to London, but they have said that one of the worst roads in Scotland for air quality is in Crieff. So if the trend of Local EZ does catch on then we are safe it seems.
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby Neil178 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:08 pm

I do go to London occasionally but there is no way I’m taking a bike with the present amount being stolen. Nowhere seems to be safe to park in public. Sorry to drift the thread ... :wink:

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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby Dids » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:42 pm

I would get away with that one .... my single spark, de cat, 2003 R1100S is exempt.


Wonder why my single spark, de cat, 2001 R1100S isn't..................... :(

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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby GRAgusta » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:33 pm

Dids wrote:
I would get away with that one .... my single spark, de cat, 2003 R1100S is exempt.


Wonder why my single spark, de cat, 2001 R1100S isn't..................... :(


Clearly there is no science to it. My bike was manufactured in 2002. I saw it on the dealer's floor at beginning of February 2003 and bought it to be registered on 1st March with the laser cans fitted and cat removed. The unused cat is in a box in the garage.

The categorisation is clearly recognising the reg date, but I am pretty sure both bikes (your 2001 and my 2002, registered in 2003) are the same regarding emissions.

Back in 2000, when I was riding a 1999 R1100S, a spokes lady for BMW at the Scottish bike show told me the R1100S was built to be fully compliant throughout Europe (hence France friendly sub 100hp) with regards all known regs coming up. But then the introduction of twin spark, and GS increasing to 1150 are indications that mods may have been necessary for Euro3 compliance in 2003.

I'm sure the assessment of these bikes with regard the LEZ is based on reg date, not technology. I was expecting mine to be not allowed in :)
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby GRAgusta » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:34 pm

Dids wrote:
I would get away with that one .... my single spark, de cat, 2003 R1100S is exempt.


Wonder why my single spark, de cat, 2001 R1100S isn't..................... :(


Clearly there is no science to it. My bike was manufactured in 2002. I saw it on the dealer's floor at beginning of February 2003 and bought it to be registered on 1st March with the laser cans fitted and cat removed. The unused cat is in a box in the garage.

The categorisation is clearly recognising the reg date, but I am pretty sure both bikes (your 2001 and my 2002, registered in 2003) are the same regarding emissions.

Back in 2000, when I was riding a 1999 R1100S, a spokes lady for BMW at the Scottish bike show told me the R1100S was built to be fully compliant throughout Europe (hence France friendly sub 100hp) with regards all known regs coming up. But then the introduction of twin spark, and GS increasing to 1150 are indications that mods may have been necessary for Euro3 compliance in 2003.

I'm sure the assessment of these bikes with regard the LEZ is based on reg date, not technology. I was expecting mine to be not allowed in :)
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby Dids » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:26 pm

Put a few R1100 & R1150 number plates into the ULEZ VRM checker and I think that they've decided that any R1100/R1150 from a Y plate onwards is gonna meet London's new ULEZ criteria.
My R1100S was registered in January 2001 and has an X plate - Sept 2000 - Feb 2001.
It looks like TFL will consider individual cases - guess they'd probably have approved my bike......
....if the catalytic converter was still attached :crybaby:

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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby SP250 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:35 pm

Just checked my 2001 R1100S (registered August) and that is ok.
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby Grip Fast » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:34 am

I've done Ace Cafe twice, and that's probably enough for one lifetime. Other than that, I don't see any reason I would ride/drive into London now. Besides my bikes and car are fine - and presumably, if I cycled in (not that I would), my heavy breathing from all the effort would also be fine (I was first registered in 1950). So, I'm alright Jack.

But are folks living in London or having to get around London by bike / car looking at yet another reduction in living standard, if their vehicles fail the criteria? Are the ones who will be most affected likely to be those scraping to get by, rather than the likes of me who have the luxury of choice. Is there a better solution to the pollution problem?

I suppose those commuting in by train have also received a severe, painful blow to the wallet yet again this year.

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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby GerryB » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:17 pm

To be honest , this whole issue p1sses me off big time .

Also the new MOT regs due out in April .... going to be another nightmare for the man in the street ...

As a previous poster so rightly pointed out, none of this will affect the wealthy ....

But the poorer ones in the community as always , will be hardest hit.

It's no secret, I absolutely detest all politicians , no matter where , my African birth place , or in UK .......

Not one of them is in the least bit concerned about the man in the street, its all about self enrichment, no matter who is prejudiced....

Not one single one of them has ever endured any hardship of any type , hunger, homeless, jobless, illness, or any other day to day peril most of us face .

That's my rant for today ....
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby metropolis2k » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:04 am

It's utterly ridiculous. My 1150GS needs to pay the charge but 1100S doesn't and they're pretty much the same engine! If anything the extra power in the 1100S will make it polute more. My R6 which is the cheapest to tax, so presumably the least polluting still has to pay too.
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby sjrainsford » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:29 am

It's silly. Motorcycles, albeit polluting in themselves are part of the solution. Their levels of pollution in a congested city are far lower than cars by nature of the fact that they don't sit in traffic. :evil:
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby metropolis2k » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:02 pm

sjrainsford wrote:It's silly. Motorcycles, albeit polluting in themselves are part of the solution. Their levels of pollution in a congested city are far lower than cars by nature of the fact that they don't sit in traffic. :evil:


Agree as would most reasonable Londoners. By far the biggest problem is lorries and older buses. I run through central London for my commute sometimes so can tell you first hand what the pollution issue is and it's not motorcycles or even cars for the most part.
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby boxerscott » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:37 pm

I would have an opinion on this if we had a similar JEZ (Jedburgh Emission Zone) but we don`t so I do not give a monkeys about it and as said earlier with all the amount of bike theft going on in our Capital it`s not exactly an appealing day out on a bike, in fact it`s totally shxte for a bike. Feel sorry for anyone who has to travel on or in anything inside the M25 on a daily basis. I do wonder though how long it will be before other major cities adopt this form of taxation.
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Re: London Emission Zone

Postby dave the german » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:13 pm

metropolis2k wrote:
sjrainsford wrote:It's silly. Motorcycles, albeit polluting in themselves are part of the solution. Their levels of pollution in a congested city are far lower than cars by nature of the fact that they don't sit in traffic. :evil:


Agree as would most reasonable Londoners. By far the biggest problem is lorries and older buses. I run through central London for my commute sometimes so can tell you first hand what the pollution issue is and it's not motorcycles or even cars for the most part.


Lorries have to be Euro 6 compliant now to enter the LEZ or the registered owner has a fee to pay. Not sure about older buses. I think the level of pollution is simply down to the sheer volume of traffic. I'm fortunate that I don't have to drive into London now - absolutely hated it as, I think do most HGV drivers unfortunately the shelves have to be filled or you would get nowt to eat (or in the case of my goods, nowt to wipe your ar$e with)
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