R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

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R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby feralworks » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:13 pm

Just bought another 12S after a gap of 18 months or so because I missed it & a really, really clean low miler came up for sale! Unfortunately I forgot about that damned eccentric throttle operation that gives a non linear action & means you have to open the throttle quite a bit to get any response. I hated it then & seem to hate it even more now, it truly messes up downshifts :evil: Did anyone ever find a decent solution to this?
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby dave the german » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:07 pm

There were a few post here some time ago but cannot recall if there ever was a really good fix - if you find one, PLEASE let us know
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby feralworks » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:16 am

dave the german wrote:There were a few post here some time ago but cannot recall if there ever was a really good fix - if you find one, PLEASE let us know

Hmmm... That's what I thought :roll: There was the 'remove the rollers' post, but that doesn't really work, & the 'Schwabenmax cam in the throttle grip' mod which also doesn't help with the early part of the throttle movement. Plus it's near £70 :(
What the hell were BMW thinking of ???
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Krauser MKM & 4v heads
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby Boxered » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:58 am

Isnt't there the option of fitting HP2S Throttle bodies and associated gubbins? maybe available from the race fraternity?
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby dave the german » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:34 am

Boxered wrote:Isnt't there the option of fitting HP2S Throttle bodies and associated gubbins? maybe available from the race fraternity?


I did wonder if that would be a fix - bet that don't come cheap tho :shock:
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby SP250 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:40 pm

I got used to it in about 50 miles and then it didn't bother me at all, even though it was odd to start with.
Just one of the characteristics to get used to and then remember, when you swap bikes on a regular basis,
Just call it "character" :D .
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby feralworks » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:27 pm

SP250 wrote:I got used to it in about 50 miles and then it didn't bother me at all, even though it was odd to start with.
Just one of the characteristics to get used to and then remember, when you swap bikes on a regular basis,
Just call it "character" :D .

Unfortunately both my much modified R100 & my Krauser have very quick action throttles fitted so swopping to the R12S it feels like the cables snapped!
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Krauser MKM & 4v heads
R1200S
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby feralworks » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:37 pm

Boxered wrote:Isnt't there the option of fitting HP2S Throttle bodies and associated gubbins? maybe available from the race fraternity?


According to RealOEM, the complete throttle body assemblies are the same part number R12S / HP2S. The throttle assy on the bars has a different part number though but don't know what the difference is yet :roll:
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby dave the german » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:12 pm

Yep, checked parts numbers and there are 3 different numbers - 2 for 12s - heated or unheated grips and 1 for unheated for HP2. There must be someone out there that can enlighten us!!
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby Wassy » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:39 pm

This is the modification Hugo ( congoman ) had done to his old bike that I now own. I’ve never ridden a 1200s other than this one but throttle pick up is just like any other bike I’ve owned.

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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby Neil178 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:34 pm

Dave, I fitted the throttle gubins when I had my 1200S. Well worthwhile imo.
It made a significant difference and until I got used to it I had to remind myself that it was fitted, otherwise it would catch me out as it would leap forward like a scolded cat.
In the wet I realised why BMW designed it as they did. Those big pots dish out lots of torques, as JC says.

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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby dave the german » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:09 pm

Neil178 wrote:Dave, I fitted the throttle gubins when I had my 1200S. Well worthwhile imo.
It made a significant difference and until I got used to it I had to remind myself that it was fitted, otherwise it would catch me out as it would leap forward like a scolded cat.
In the wet I realised why BMW designed it as they did. Those big pots dish out lots of torques, as JC says.


Is that the Schwabenmax (spelling?) thingy?
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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby Neil178 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:01 am

Yep, that looks like the part. I don’t recognise the seller as I bought mine from Gus and only ever saw them advertised on German eBay at the time.
It’s not a perfect solution by any means. Iirc Gus was looking for a better answer at the cams on the throttle bodies for a modification to his racing bike, hence selling the part.
It worked for me, every time I moved off it made me chuckle. It’s a lot of money for such a small bit of plastic, but the difference it makes is certainly noticeable.

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Re: R12S THROTTLE ECCENTRIC REMOVAL

Postby victorlaszlo » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Neil178 wrote:In the wet I realised why BMW designed it as they did. Those big pots dish out lots of torques, as JC says.


It's basically a mechanical traction control :) Considering the R12S has the same torque as an S1000RR but at 6500 rpm rather than 9700 perhaps it is needed...


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